Unconventional Life – Podcast, Blog, Live Events

Author: Jules Schroeder

  • Ep:208 Why “Fake It Til You Make It” Is Holding You Back From True Self Expression – With Pop Artist, Eden xo

    Ep:208 Why “Fake It Til You Make It” Is Holding You Back From True Self Expression – With Pop Artist, Eden xo

    Whether you’re an artist, a performer or an entrepreneur, most creative industries and entrepreneurial roles involve a level of risk, setback, and disappointment before you succeed, along with an insistent pressure to produce high-level work. 

    It is perhaps why so many dream of pursuing these creative careers, but so few are able to ‘make it’ a reality. 

    Among those who have truly ‘made it’, there is a common theme underpinning their ability to succeed – self-reflection, authenticity and personal transformation. It is what allows them to remain persistent after hearing ‘no’ so many times and to maintain a high level of creative output, even under this intense pressure to perform.

    Greater than all of that, it allows them to remain authentic in a world of ‘fake it til you make it’ and outward appearances. So what does it take to ‘make it’ without faking ‘it’?

    We caught up with Eden xo, singer, songwriter and pop-cultural icon who has worked with artists such as Kygo, Lil John, Pitbull, Kelly Clarkson, to talk about the creative process, dealing with setbacks, the experience of staying true to herself in the music industry and the lessons she learned through coming into stardom.

    Eden shares about her roots, her childhood, and her Persian background – there was always culturally a high value put on art, music, and literature and even though she wasn’t encouraged to pursue these areas growing up, she did anyway. One could say creativity was in her DNA. This creative expression helped her to cope with the turbulent upbringing and domestic violence in her home environment, “when I was a little kid I always had an interest in performing and creativity… I really enjoyed expressing myself that way and stepping into the shoes of another version of myself”. 

    Eden got her first record deal at the age of 16, shortly after emancipating herself at 15 years of age and moving to LA – “I just knew, I’m going to LA and I’m going to make it and I’m going to have a story to tell.” She tells us about the experience of being a musician and performer – moving through different labels, rebrandings and phases in her career to come to the place where she is today. She has much to say about using ‘performance’ or creativity and about how her work didn’t fully develop until she understood the premise of transforming into someone else through her work. “I believe that there’s a difference between performance and transformance… you can tell the difference between when someone is ‘performing’ and ‘trying to be’ or truly stepping into the shoes of the role… it’s about sitting in the water, going deep… being as opposed to posing as something”. This ‘being’ that she refers to and the full embodiment of her work is what she believes enables her to thrive as a creative and avoid the stress that stems from her professional pressure to put out records all of the time.

    Eden finds no need to push or force the creative process, “letting it come to me as opposed to trying to force something out” – which she stresses is such an important factor to her success. 

    We asked Eden to use reflect on her life experience and give our listeners some advice on how to ‘keep it real’, stay true to yourself and deal with setbacks, disappointments, and failures. 

    The most important piece is to find your tribe with who you can be authentic and open, even when you have suffered setbacks or failures.

    Eden fully advocates for speaking your truth, that “your own vulnerability is important.”

    She reflects on the fact that the entertainment industry is largely based on ‘fake it til you make it’ and having to put on a face and pretend you’re ok when you’re not. She uses the example of having just suffered a major setback of being dropped by her record label and then attending a party where everybody knew – resisting the urge to say ‘everything is great’ when people asked her how she was, and be okay with being honest and vulnerable. “Empathy is at the core of art…” she believes, and that finding her ‘tribe’ who she could be open and authentic with helped her to survive in such a face-value and cut-throat industry.  

    Eden gives some more advice for the listeners that are emerging artists who are looking to break into the music industry – her advice rings true for almost anyone in an entrepreneurial journey as well. 

    “You’re going to hear 90 million times…99.999% of the time you’re going to hear no and it’s going to crush you, so allow it to crush you…” Eden believes that in order to succeed, you must see the setbacks and failures as a pinnacle to your growth and your performance, “seeing what that transforms and what looks like creatively”.

    She views those periods of defeat, rejection as the biggest catalyst for her growth professionally and personally, and that “what I would [say] looking back is that I wouldn’t mask or numb it… I would sit in those feelings, that’s what I’d do differently.”  She urges listeners suffering a setback, that instead of avoiding the negative feelings, to document them and allow yourself to experience them. 

    Eden also comes back to drive home the earlier point she made about remaining authentic and true to yourself, telling us – “you have to just do you”.

    For those of you who are curious about the music Eden creates or to follow her journey, you can find her on Instagram @Eden or twitter @Edenxo

    Her new record “The Question” is now available on vinyl and on all digital streaming platforms – Spotify, Apple Music, etc. You can also catch her hosting the Beats 1 music show on Apple Music on Wednesdays and Thursdays.

  • Ep: 207 How to pivot and re-create who you are, with Debra Wanger

    Ep: 207 How to pivot and re-create who you are, with Debra Wanger

    This week on the Unconventional Life Show is Debra Wanger. Debra is a former actress who has performed in theaters and cabarets from Boston to Los Angeles but when some would say she was at the “peak of her career”, Debra decided to leave the acting world.  Debra shares that she “was doing well professionally, but I was personally a mess. I was overweight, I was depressed, I was lonely and when I wasn’t working I didn’t have any sense of direction” 

    The constant hustle of always auditioning and looking for the next gig as an actress was draining but she was able to press the pause button and contemplate…

    “Is this even what I want?”

    From answering this simple question,  Debra made some major life shifts, returned to school and received her BA in sociology, worked on the other side of the business, became a health coach, singer and is the author two books. 

    In this episode, Debra shares how to bring all the parts of yourself to the table to live a diverse and exciting life. 

    “it’s okay to be the weird hyphenate” 

    In this new Unconventional paradigm, we are no longer glued to single career labels. We don’t have to be settled in one career for an entire lifetime. Debra studied under Dave Asprey and the 2nd Law from his 46 Laws is “do not passively discover who you are. Actively decide and create who you are.”  If we keep saying yes to the things that life gives us then we will never have an opportunity to say yes to the things that we truly want. 

    You can be the person who is the Wellness Coach-Dancer-Blog Writer and Designer. The combination of things is what makes you unique, diverse and able to live a more exciting life. 

    Are you actively discovering and trying new things that excite you or are you just following what you think you should be doing? 

    Is this even what I want in life? 

    Admitting that your life isn’t fulfilling you the way it used to and trying something new is a very brave step. Debra did a lot of visioning when she was trying to bring more happiness and balance into her life and always returned to this question; If I was happy what would my life look like? 

    Try this exercise out for yourself, where would you be waking up, how would you be fulling your day, what would you be talking about, what would you do in your free time? 

    begin with the end in mind.

    If you are pondering these questions yourself, she encourages you to reverse engineer how you are going to get there. The reverse engineering process starts with asking yourself “what needs to happen in order to realize this goal?”Once we find an answer to the question above, we use deductive questioning until we come up with an action step that can be immediately executed.  

    Realize that this life is the only one you have and it’s never too late to make adjustments! 

    Giveaway!

    Debra is giving away some of her books including ” The Resilient Actor- How to Kick Ass in the Business, Without it Kicking Your Ass” along with the workbook planner that just came out on Amazon, check out the books here.

  • EP: 206 The 4 Keys to Unlocking a Sale, with Mindvalley’s Sales Strategist, Jason Campbell

    EP: 206 The 4 Keys to Unlocking a Sale, with Mindvalley’s Sales Strategist, Jason Campbell

    Many of us suffer from the crippling fear of having the ‘tough’ conversations which stand in the way of creating the life that we crave. Some of these conversations include asking for that raise that will monumentally change your standard of living, asking to be able to work remotely so you can have the freedom to travel, selling yourself through your own personal brand or products or simply convincing people that your idea is the one that they should roll with.

    We caught up with Jason Campbell, author of “Selling With Love” and creator of the “Superhumans at Work” podcast to talk about how mastering communication is the key to ultimate fulfillment and having the life you desire. In addition to his own passion projects regarding sales, Jason has spent the last year traveling the world while working as the marketing and sales leader for Mindvalley. 

    Jason tells us about how learning the ability of sales early on in life was influential for his ability to create the life he wanted – “once you understand the power of sales, you can start being much more in control of a lot of things in your life.” 

    The ability to eloquently express your needs and desires is one of the most important factors involved in getting what you want out of your lifestyle. Jason was able to leverage his sales ability to renegotiate his contract, allowing him to work remotely, move to Thailand and drop his cost of living by a third, finding himself in a more abundant position without having to ask for a salary raise. 

    The ‘sales’ process has implications for everything, not just how much money you make. For instance, it was instrumental in his relationships as it’s primarily about what Jason refers to as “an energy exchange”. 

    We asked Jason to give some advice to our readers on how to approach the sometimes uncomfortable conversations in life or how to “sell” your desires – for instance, how to conduct the conversation with your employer around allowing you to work remotely or get that raise that you want. Jason explains how there are 4 ‘emotional levels’ or steps you must move through in order to ‘sell with love’ or be able to efficiently, eloquently and successfully ‘sell yourself’ or get what you want. 

    Step 1: Guilt, shame, self-sabotaging, feelings of imposter syndrome. 

    Thoughts like “if I ask for this I am a bad person and I am feeling shame and guilt for wanting to ask.” Jason tells us that we get stuck in this phase mainly because of conditioning in our childhood from hearing ‘no’ early on. To evolve past this level, Jason suggests doing inner work to examine the situations that would have been instrumental in instilling the belief of ego or inner child that ‘selling’ will ultimately lead to rejection, pain or loss of love. He also points out that if you have resistance to the idea of ‘sales’ people for some other reason – for instance, you think they are sleazy or immoral – then this is something you need to work through as well. 

    Step 2: Fear and scarcity but also pride and curiosity or wanting to ‘prove’ yourself

    This is where you start saying “hey, I made a sale and that felt good…” You’re not necessarily at the place of abundance yet, but you’re starting to get a sense that you have more control in your life. The risk of level 2, Jason says, is that you can be unaware of the impact of what your selling is, you can be selling from a selfish place or “you are not doing it from the intention of serving”. Which can come back to haunt you in the future, because you will ultimately feel empty afterward if what you are doing is unethical. So before you begin to sell something, try it out yourself, do you really believe in the value the product or service has to offer? 

    Step 3: Rationality

    This is the phase where “you start really preparing the data, thinking that it’s the data which is going to close the sale”  Some examples of data sharing are listing out all of your skills and employment history. You want to move from an ‘I” mentality and into a “we” mentality. How are you going to help them, what is the mutual benefit and value that you are bringing to the table? 

    This is where people start to develop a lot of self-awareness and become super conscious of the value of what they are selling. The problem with this is that you start doubting or second-guessing the value of what you are trying to sell, which affects your ability to make the sale, therefore driving your ‘abundance’ down. According to Jason, people don’t buy with their mind, they buy with their emotions. So this step is particularly problematic and is usually where people get stuck. 

    If you are feeling some fear and hesitation Jason shares a fun little shortcut to get over emotions that stand in the way of you communicating effectively and making a sale. Find a charity that you believe in and do some cold calls ask for funds or donations. This allows you to practice presenting an idea, asking for money and getting over the fear of rejection and help out a good cause. It’s a win-win! 

    Step 4: Love

    This is the sweet spot for sales, where you have done your research and you’ve ensured there’s an even energy exchange that you can put your emotion behind. “Become clear on the impact you make with the work you do, know that what you’re giving is more than what you’re asking… then you can step into the place.” This is where you want to be, where you are now selling out of an energy of ‘love’. 

    Jason will soon be releasing his book “Selling With Love”, so keep an eye out for that if you want to learn more about how to improve your sales game. He has also welcomed readers to reach out to him on social media @jason.campbell with any questions, queries or comments. 

  • Breaking out of the Box and Becoming Location Independent with ‘Nomads Giving Back’ Founder, Tarek Kholoussy

    Breaking out of the Box and Becoming Location Independent with ‘Nomads Giving Back’ Founder, Tarek Kholoussy

    When the words ‘digital nomad’ are uttered, most people will bring to mind Insta-worthy images of the coveted laptop lifestyle, cocktails by the pool and traveling the globe while living it large. Given the supposed glamour and swoon-worthy depiction of being a digital nomad, it is no surprise that – according to this site – 50% of the workforce will be remote by 2020.

    But for some, the ‘digital nomad’ life is about so much more than living one big endless holiday. It is about freedom, breaking the constraints of societal expectations, pursuing a life you are passionate about and taking an (often terrifying) leap which allows you to escape the confines of your office, your cushy 9-5 and your rinse and repeat lifestyle.

    We caught up with Tarek Kholoussy to talk about breaking the mold and taking the leap from corporate into a digital nomad lifestyle as a social entrepreneur who wants to positively impact the Earth.

    Tarek has an impressive history, graduating from Georgetown and receiving NBA Honours from NYU. His journey to becoming a social entrepreneur and digital nomad began while he was working in strategic leadership in the corporate landscape in New York City. He tells us how, despite having a stable corporate career and educational accolades, “I was finding myself less excited and less motivated in what I was doing”. I am sure many of our readers can relate to this sentiment.

    Nomads Giving Back came as an answer to his inner-search for a more meaningful and fulfilling life, a need to do something real to help and make a lasting impact on the Earth and a string of events and synchronicities that led him on this path.

    In 2012 – while still working in corporate – he had four moments over a few months that challenged him and acted like a wake-up call, setting him up on an entirely new trajectory in his life. Tarek shares how witnessing the aftermath of Hurricane Sandy – where he lived – along with his closely-aged cousin’s untimely passing significantly opened his eyes to the “real problems” and struggles people face, along with being presented with the reminder of his mortality.

    Faced with these events, Tarek began to ask himself – “What am I going to do with the time that I have on this Earth?”.

    Tarek shares how a chance meeting with a random stranger opened his eyes to the possibility of “living the life he always dreamed of living” and that it fuelled a desire for him to boldly pursue his dreams. After the string of synchronicities and events which acted as a not-so-subtle nudge for him, he shares “I bought I one-way-ticket, and I never looked back”.

    The result of his leap of faith and radical lifestyle change became the founding of Nomads Giving Back, which has now grown to 47 events over 8 different countries in its first year of conception and which “gives digital nomads and ex-pats a chance to ‘give back’ to the communities they call home away from home”.

    Tarek discusses how challenging it was for him to break out of the mold and the comfortable lifestyle he was in initially because “we’re all conditioned… every day we’re living a habitualised life and surrounding ourselves with the same people/family/company… it becomes this perpetuating cycle of living a predictable life because you’re just playing a role.”

    We asked Tarek if he had any advice for readers who want to break out of the lifestyle, role or career their in and overcome the challenge he just described. He tells us that in order to experience different, you need to act differently, that “outside of that regular area, that routine, is where you gain perspective.”

    He gives readers some activities that he pursued in the early stages of taking the leap to becoming a digital nomad, that may assist you on your journey.

    Consume content that is inspirational

    Tarek was consumed by TED talks in those early days of his journey and describes all of the types of self development and inspirational content he would seek out. Why is this so helpful to Tarek, and why will it help you on your journey?

    Our emotions are hugely influential when it comes to our follow through and feeling inspired can have a massive impact on whether or not you are able to stick to your guns. Learning from professionals, from people who have already traveled down the path you have, or consuming content that is informative, motivational and inspirational will help you to stay on task and continually striving when you’re faced with adversity along the way.

    Seek out the right crowd, surround yourself with ‘expanders’

    Tarek tells us that during the most formative time of his self-exploration journey, “I decided to be careful about who I let into my space and try to minimize that time with them.” Rather than spending time with those who re-enforced the old ‘role’ he would play, he would seek out people who inspired him and encouraged him to grow and expand.

    An excellent way to grow and develop is to surround yourself with people who motivate and inspire you in some way – people who are further along the journey than you or who are already doing what you aspire to do. This is expansive energy to be around and will help you to learn and grow purely by diffusion.

    Mind your own business

    Tarek shares that it wasn’t until the wheels were well and truly in motion, he was already a significant way along the path and had already resigned from his corporate job that he decided to tell anybody of his plans. He knew that his family and friends would discourage him out of fear and when he did eventually tell them, “that’s when the push-back came…but by that point, it was too late.”

    The reality is, sometimes the people closest to us are not supportive of our goals, our visions, our career changes or our lifestyles… and that is totally ok. They don’t have to understand or even like it in order for us to succeed.

    If you know that your close family/friends/partner will react negatively and that it will affect your ability to go through with taking the plunge, avoid telling them for as long as possible. Keep it on a ‘need to know’ basis until you’re set-up, stable and you’re over the biggest hurdles. Know that their lack of support or understanding isn’t because they don’t love or care about you – in fact, it’s usually because they love and care about you. Set some clear boundaries and keep your business to yourself until you’re at a point where you feel comfortable with facing a potential backlash. While they might not understand or support you initially, they almost always will come around when they see what you have achieved and how it has impacted your life and happiness. They are only afraid of the unconventional lifestyle you are seeking because it’s not familiar to them.

    We asked Tarek what living the unconventional life means to him – “[It] means taking a step outside of yourself [and] your comfort zone to really trying to understand as much as you can of who you are… liberating yourself from the shackles of whatever life you feel trapped in… finding and seeking out experiences and people who inspire the real you.”

    Giveaway!

    Tarek is offering a one-on-one 30-minute consultation to one of our readers to chat about anything you’re passionate about, learn more about the journey of becoming a digital nomad or for support on their own personal growth path. You can find out more about Tarek and the wonderful work that Nomads Giving Back does at: www.nomadsgivingback.com

  • EP: 204 What to do When you’re Suffering ‘Next Step’ Paralysis, with Career Strategist Tracy Timm

    EP: 204 What to do When you’re Suffering ‘Next Step’ Paralysis, with Career Strategist Tracy Timm

    We caught up with Tracy Timm, career strategist, human capital advisor and founder of the Nth Degree Academy which helps individuals achieve at the highest performance levels possible. A Yale graduate with a degree in Behavioural Psychology, having traveled around the world and also having time working on Wall Street under her belt, Tracy’s now unconventional life stemmed from a seemingly “conventional” foundation. 

    Tracy talks about the early struggle to release other people’s expectations of what her life should look like and working through her own limiting beliefs of what is possible for her, that “in the absence of having your own certain and clear vision it’s easy to get swept up in whatever’s going on around you.” 

    Tracy tells us about the experience of trying to determine what she should do with her life when she had no idea which direction she wanted to take, winding up in Wall Street because it seemed like the right thing to do. She talks about the large degree of questioning herself and asking “is it okay if I don’t want this conveyer-belt life?”. 

    How it ultimately took her some time to even realize she was unhappy where she was and lacking the freedom she craved in her lifestyle.

    Tracey reminisces on how she was raised as a “black-belt box checker kid” and this drive for perfectionism and impressing others had to be overcome for her to break out of the box personally and professionally and pursue a life less traveled. 

    Tracy offers advice for listeners who feel stuck, paralyzed or don’t have a clear ‘next step’ so they don’t experience what she did and feel pressure to follow someone else’s expectations. 

    Insight comes from action not thought

    “Insight comes from action not thought… you’re not going to force clarity on yourself” Tracy believes. The best way to move forward is to take any action which will cause an internal reaction or a way to come across new information. Even if you’re taking the “wrong” action, it will help you to narrow down what you do want. The Universe reacts when you act… so by taking a simple step you will be shown which direction you need to go in. 

    Do an honest and objective life-audit

    If you’re struggling to take any step because you’re paralyzed by fear of moving in the wrong direction, then it’s time to get some clarity, according to Tracy. Break down your life into these categories: social, financial, spiritual, physical, emotional and professional. Uncover what is working in your life – maybe it’s a practice you do frequently or one area of your life where you’re thriving. “If you get really clear on what you have foundationally that’s positive, it should relieve some of the anxiety…when our anxiety is relieved then our brain can be more creative” Tracy tells us.

    Get super clear on YOUR core values

    “What’s so core to you that you can see yourself making a yes or no decision around it?” These are the deep life-defining values that are make or break for you. Tracy uses her core value of ‘freedom’ not being met as an example of why she left Wall Street. These are supposed to be values that you can see yourself making commitments around – that “give you this really beautiful frame for the bare minimum for what you need to be happy and fulfilled in an environment”.  

    Tracy believes that if you get clear on what these values are, you will be able to see what in your current life doesn’t stack up and will be guided to the vision for the life you want to create, enabling you to take action towards it. 

    She strongly advises that readers don’t get caught up in fear-based decision making and to constantly be re-evaluating and asking yourself if this is what rings true for you and your values and for the vision you have for your life. 

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    Tracy is giving away two tickets to an exclusive Nth Degree Academy live event, in Dallas, Texas on January 23rd 2020. Part mastermind, part meet and mingle, this event will help give you clarity on your core values and enable you to pursue a life you love! To be entered to win the giveaway, click here. A winner will be selected next week.

    Connect further with Tracy here.