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  • Ep465: The Man Who Treats Setbacks Like Training: Will Carr’s Blueprint for Purpose, Protein, and Parenthood

    Ep465: The Man Who Treats Setbacks Like Training: Will Carr’s Blueprint for Purpose, Protein, and Parenthood

    Will Carr doesn’t talk about grit like it’s a brand asset. He talks about it like a choice you make after impact.

    “Are you going to pick yourself up when you get punched in the face?” he says early in his conversation. His answer is immediate: “Yep. And keep going.”

    That isn’t justmotivational poster language for Carr. It’s lived experience, sharpened through sport, tested through entrepreneurship, and grounded in a faith that asks him to become the kind of person who can hold both the win and the wreckage.

    A 6’11” Kid on a Corn Farm Who Learned Community Before Success

    Carr is 6’11”, and he knows it’s the first detail people clock. But the more defining detail is where he grew up: rural Midwest, on a corn farm, in the pre-cellphone era where “going to play” meant hopping on a four-wheeler and trusting you’d find your way back home.

    Sports didn’t become his outlet the way it does for many kids. For Carr, it became belonging.

    It was how he spent time with his dad. How he connected with family. How he socialized when “neighbor” could mean a long country road away. Baseball was his first love. Basketball became the logical next chapter as he kept growing taller and taller, until the path was practically chosen for him.

    He went on to play college basketball at Colorado School of Mines while studying engineering, and later played professionally overseas. Eventually, like every athlete learns, the clock runs out. The identity shifts. The built-in team disappears. And you find out what you’re made of when the uniform is gone.

    Why Athletes Make Dangerous Entrepreneurs

    Carr believes athleticism trains you for entrepreneurship in ways business school can’t replicate.

    Athletes don’t just learn to win. They learn what losing is for.

    “You learn to love to lose,” he says, because losing is where the data lives. It’s where you reflect, retool, and return sharper. Winning feels good, but it doesn’t force evolution.

    In business, that mindset becomes a survival skill. You can lose nine out of ten times and still be the person who wins in the end—because the most successful people are often the ones who have failed the most.

    Schroeder echoes this with her own story of extreme highs and lows in entrepreneurship and the “zones of turbulence” that show up right before a breakthrough. Success, she argues, requires capacity: the ability to hold the equal and opposite swing of challenge.

    Carr offers an image from Taoist philosophy: the pendulum. Pull it high to one side, and it will swing hard to the other. The work isn’t eliminating the swing. The work is getting comfortable inside it—then finding the center.

    Faith Without the Noise: “The Kingdom of God Is Within Us”

    Schroeder asks Carr what people misunderstand about faith. His answer is direct: many people’s first exposure is organized religion—rules, dogma, shame, constant self-judgment.

    Carr’s faith is more intimate than institutional.

    For him, Christianity is about following Christ and remembering that “the kingdom of God is within us.” Not outward seeking. Not proving. Not performing. A connection already placed inside you.

    From that lens, hardship becomes something you can hold differently. Carr speaks to gratitude in seasons most people rush to escape, because he believes in a simple but demanding idea: if anything in your life were different, everything would be different. The painful detours shape the entire map.

    The Day a “Smart” Coupon Code Turned Into a $7,000 Punch in the Face

    If Carr’s philosophy sounds calm, it’s because he’s paid for it.

    Earlier in his entrepreneurial life, he ran a protein powder business. A manufacturer added the wrong ingredient into a batch—an error that made the inventory unsellable under the original brand. Carr signed off on it, so he treated the fallout as his responsibility.

    He had 2,000 units he couldn’t move. So he did what entrepreneurs do: turned the problem into a product strategy.

    He launched an Amazon-exclusive brand in a week—fast, scrappy, designed to offload the inventory and recoup costs. To speed up shipping for influencers, he created a 99% off code only he knew, then used it to buy his own product and let Amazon handle delivery.

    It was clever. Until it wasn’t.

    The coupon surfaced through a deals ecosystem connected to browser plugins like Honey, then got posted on a Facebook deals page. In two to three hours, Carr watched a “viral” spike in sales turn into a gut drop: strangers had cleaned out his inventory for pennies.

    Amazon shipped everything. Then charged him roughly $7,000 for fulfillment.

    The result: a financial hit, a hard lesson, and a moment that separates builders from dreamers.

    “What are you gonna do?” Carr asks. “Are you gonna stop or are you going to pick yourself up when you get punched in the face?”

    He doesn’t romanticize the pain. He acknowledges the emotional reality—sometimes you do need to feel it. But he refuses to live there.

    Schroeder adds a practical take: if you fully allow a wave of emotion—no resisting, no numbing—you can move through a full emotional cycle quickly. The takeaway isn’t to bypass feelings. It’s to process them, then keep going.

    Carr’s “win” from the disaster wasn’t money. It was capability: he learned he can launch a brand in a week. He learned what not to do next time. He learned that even a punch can become training.

    Genesee Nutrition: A Protein Bar Built Like a Values Statement

    Today, Carr is the founder of Genesee Nutrition, a company built around athletic performance, clean ingredients, and a philosophy of fuel that’s more foundational than trendy.

    Genesee makes a grass-fed bison tallow-based protein bar, sweetened with raw honey. Carr calls it the only one of its kind on the market, with tallow as a standout ingredient because it provides nutrient-dense healthy fats.

    He breaks down his food hierarchy simply:

    • Hydration first (he notes the body is largely water)

    • Protein next

    • Healthy fats to support the system

    Genesee’s core ingredients reflect that:

    • Grass-fed bison tallow

    • Whey protein isolate

    • Collagen peptides

    • Organic peanut butter

    • Raw honey

    The company also has an athletic footprint: Genesee is the official protein bar of the NJCAA, serving junior colleges across the U.S. Carr works closely with smaller athletic programs and speaks to college athletes about what happens next.

    Because the career ends. Even for the few who go pro, it ends soon.

    And then you have to answer the question most people avoid until it’s too late: Who am I without the sport?

    The Real Business He’s In: Identity After the Jersey Comes Off

    Carr loves fuel, performance, and competition. But his deeper mission is helping athletes translate discipline into adulthood.

    He points out what often breaks after sports: community.

    Team sports give you a built-in ecosystem—friends, structure, belonging, accountability. When that disappears, people scramble. Carr urges athletes to think ahead: What are you passionate about? How do you want your days to look? How will you build community on purpose?

    For Carr, entrepreneurship didn’t replace sport. It extended the same hunger: to compete, improve, and create something real.

    And underneath it all is a family-first orientation. Genesee is a small family business. He runs it with his cousin. He homeschools his daughter. He designs his life around the people he loves, not the optics.

    Lifestyle Freedom, According to Will Carr: Cut the Unnecessary, Keep the Sacred

    Schroeder introduces her concept of lifestyle freedom: money doesn’t automatically create time. Often, the structure you build to earn binds you—golden handcuffs disguised as success.

    Carr’s advice is practical and almost stubbornly unglamorous:

    1. Get crystal clear about what you want your life to look like.

    2. Identify what you don’t need, and remove it.

    He offers an example: he drives a 2012 Toyota Tundra with over 200,000 miles. He could buy a new truck. He doesn’t want the payment. Less debt means less required cash flow. Less required cash flow means more choices.

    His philosophy is simple: the more you simplify, the more you can direct your life instead of financing a version of it you don’t even want.

    The Unconventional Life, in One Sentence: Choose the Sacrifice That Buys You Back Your Life

    Everything creates sacrifice. Either you sacrifice for the life you want, or you sacrifice the life you want for things you don’t need.

    He pairs that with gratitude—no matter where you are in the journey. Not as toxic positivity, but as a stabilizer. A way of remembering what matters when society sells you a louder target.

    Because you can have all the money in the world, Carr says, and still be crying in your Ferrari at night.

    And to him, that’s not success.

    Giveaway

    This week’s giveaway is a two-part bundle:

    • Genesee Nutrition protein bars

    • A unicorn-themed coloring book created by Will’s daughter, Blakeley Darling

    Bonus: If you don’t win the giveaway, you can use code “unconventional life” for 15% off on Genesee’s website.

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  • Ep464: Using Discomfort as a Tool: Charlie Carlisle on Entrepreneurship and Clean Water

    Ep464: Using Discomfort as a Tool: Charlie Carlisle on Entrepreneurship and Clean Water

    In the wellness world, water is everywhere in conversation but rarely examined deeply. People debate supplements, track sleep scores, optimize workouts. 

    Yet the single highest-volume input into the human body—water—often goes unquestioned.

    For Charlie Carlisle, that blind spot became an obsession.

    Carlisle is the co-founder of Rorra, a Colorado-based water filtration company building what he describes as a “Dyson-style” business in water—premium, design-forward systems backed by rigorous lab testing. But Rorra didn’t begin as a branding exercise. It began with a problem that felt personal.

    And uncomfortable.


    A Baby’s Eczema and the Question No One Was Asking

    Rorra’s origin story isn’t rooted in trend forecasting. It started when Carlisle’s co-founder, Brian, became a father. Shortly after birth, his daughter developed eczema that wouldn’t clear.

    They tried everything—creams, different fabrics, dietary changes.

    Nothing worked.

    Then they installed a simple filter on her bathing water.

    Her skin began clearing.

    That shift triggered a deeper inquiry: If water could impact skin that dramatically, what else were people missing? And why wasn’t water being examined with the same scrutiny as food or supplements?

    Instead of rushing to market, Carlisle and Brian spent six months immersed in research. They brought in industry advisers, studied filtration technologies, and analyzed where the water industry was overpromising and under-delivering.

    What they found was an industry saturated with plastic systems, aggressive marketing claims, and limited transparency.

    Rorra would be built differently.


    The Real Health Lever: Volume and Bioaccumulation

    Carlisle frames water through one key lens: quantity.

    The average person consumes between half a gallon and a gallon of water per day. No supplement, no smoothie, no functional food comes close in volume. Which means small exposures—repeated daily—compound.

    He emphasizes contaminants that bioaccumulate and are difficult to remove once inside the body:

    • Lead
    • PFAS, often referred to as “forever chemicals”
    • Microplastics

    Particularly for children, developmental risk raises the stakes.

    For Rorra, filtration isn’t about trend-based features. It’s about reducing meaningful exposure to measurable contaminants, validated down to parts per billion or trillion.


    The Mineral Mistake Most People Don’t Know About

    While many biohacking conversations focus on structured water or hydrogen water, Carlisle takes a more grounded approach: focus on what can be measured.

    One overlooked factor, he says, is mineral content.

    Reverse osmosis systems can strip water down to near-zero content, leaving it functionally distilled. While effective at removing contaminants, fully demineralized water—if not remineralized—can have unintended consequences, potentially impacting the body’s mineral balance over time.

    Rorra’s countertop system was intentionally designed to preserve beneficial mineral content while removing harmful contaminants.

    The logic is simple: health optimization isn’t only about removing what’s harmful. It’s also about retaining what’s essential.

    And on a practical level, minerals improve taste. Many premium bottled waters are prized specifically for their mineral richness.


    Design as Strategy, Not Decoration

    Carlisle describes Rorra as a “Dyson-style” water company for a reason.

    Historically, filtration systems have prioritized function over form—or claimed function without validation. Rorra’s approach is to integrate both:

    • Stainless steel construction instead of plastic
    • Extensive third-party lab testing
    • Publicly available data
    • Products designed to live on a countertop without feeling industrial

    Their flagship product is a 2.5-gallon gravity-fed stainless steel system inspired by legacy designs but refined for modern homes. The use of high-end stainless steel isn’t aesthetic vanity—it reduces plastic exposure and is designed to last for years, reducing waste over time.

    Scaling that level of quality is operationally harder. Supply chains become more complex. Manufacturing tolerances tighten. But for Carlisle, difficulty is not a deterrent.

    It’s a filter.


    The Entrepreneurial Thread: Obsession Over Opportunity

    Carlisle’s entrepreneurial instincts began early. As a child, he ran small businesses—pet care, car detailing—while watching his mother and stepfather build companies of their own. Entrepreneurship wasn’t theoretical. It was modeled.

    In college, he studied finance at the University of Denver, expecting to follow the conventional investment banking route. After experiencing that environment firsthand, he realized it wasn’t aligned.

    Rather than forcing a prestigious path, he leaned into startups and building.

    His advice for aspiring founders is direct:

    • Work on something you can obsess over for at least five years.
    • Don’t chase money alone. Burnout follows misalignment.
    • Avoid glorifying the solo founder narrative.

    Rorra is built in partnership with Brian, someone Carlisle has worked with for nearly a decade across ventures. Their skills are complementary—Carlisle oversees the tangible world of engineering, design, supply chain, and fulfillment, while Brian leads digital presence, marketing, and revenue strategy.

    Trust first. Complement second.


    Using Discomfort as a Tool

    When asked what living an unconventional life means to him, Carlisle answers without hesitation: using discomfort as a tool.

    Entrepreneurship, especially product-based entrepreneurship, involves seasons of friction. Rorra’s launch cycle—spanning months of scaling, polishing, and troubleshooting—required sustained intensity with minimal margin.

    The key, he says, is anticipation. Expect the friction. Prepare for it.

    Then take deliberate breaks.

    After one intense scale cycle, Carlisle unplugged for a 10-day backcountry ski trip in Italy. Hard reset. No half-measures.

    Grinding without recovery isn’t discipline. It’s erosion.

    Discomfort builds capacity—but only if you manage it intentionally.


    The 24-Hour Test for Any Idea

    Before closing, Carlisle offers a framework for anyone sitting on an idea.

    Can you put in 24 cumulative hours of research within a week?

    Not scrolling. Not fantasizing. Actual reading, synthesizing, prototyping.

    If you can sustain that level of interest and still care, that’s a signal.

    If not, the idea may be more ego than obsession.

    For Carlisle, building Rorra wasn’t a flash of inspiration. It was sustained curiosity applied to a real-world problem.


    Where Rorra Is Now

    Rorra currently offers:

    • A stainless steel countertop filtration system
    • A filtered showerhead

    Over the next 24 months, additional product platforms are planned, all designed around the same principles: measurable performance, mineral preservation, durable materials, and radical transparency.

    The company’s growth has been accelerated by partnerships within the health and wellness space, reinforcing credibility and expanding awareness—but Carlisle is clear that they are still early in the journey.

     

    Giveaway: The Rorra Home Outfitter Upgrade

    One lucky Unconventional Life listener will receive:

    • 1 Rorra Countertop Filtration System
    • Filtered showerheads  

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  • Ep458: From Miscarriage to Mission: How WeNatal Is Rewriting the Fertility Playbook

    Ep458: From Miscarriage to Mission: How WeNatal Is Rewriting the Fertility Playbook

    For Ronit Menashe and Vida Delrahim, fertility was never supposed to become a business.

    Both women had climbed the corporate ladder at Nike, built long careers in marketing and leadership, and checked all the boxes of “doing life right.” Marriage, motherhood, stability. Until life cracked the script open.

    Within the span of a week, both women experienced miscarriages—two best friends, navigating loss at the same time, receiving the same dismissive medical answers.

    “It just happens.”
    “It’s probably your age.”
    “There’s nothing you can do—just try again.”

    But that answer didn’t sit right.

    When the System Stops Short

    What began as grief turned into research. And research turned into outrage.

    Ronit and Vida discovered something few people talk about: up to 50% of miscarriages are linked to sperm quality, yet fertility is treated almost exclusively as a women’s issue. Men are rarely tested. Rarely educated. Rarely invited into the process.

    That blind spot became their breaking point—and their calling.

    They left corporate life and went all in on a mission that felt deeply personal and deeply overdue: turn fertility from a “me problem” into a “we practice.”

     

    Trimester Zero: The Missing Preparation Phase

    What changed everything wasn’t IVF. It wasn’t a miracle intervention. It was preparation.

    Through functional medicine experts, including Dr. Mark Hyman, they learned that while egg count declines with age, egg quality and sperm quality are highly influenceable through nutrition, lifestyle, and environment.

    Men, in particular, can regenerate healthier sperm in as little as 72–90 days.

    They created what they call Trimester Zero—the three months before conception where both partners clean up their diet, reduce toxins, support hormones, and take targeted supplementation.

    The result?

    • Ronit gave birth to a healthy daughter at 42

    • Vida followed three months later

    Their personal experiment worked—twice.

     

    Why the Prenatal Industry Needed a Reset

    When they examined the prenatal market, the problems ran deep:

    • Poorly absorbed nutrients

    • Underdosed formulas

    • Fillers, dyes, and additives

    • No standards for men

    WeNatal was built differently:

    • One prenatal for her

    • One prenatal for him

    • Clinically relevant dosages

    • Third-party testing

    • No shortcuts

    The goal wasn’t speed or scale—it was integrity.

     

    Beyond Supplements: Mental Health, Grief, and Community

    Fertility isn’t just physical—it’s emotional.

    Miscarriage, trying to conceive, and pregnancy loss often happen in silence. That’s why WeNatal includes a shared journal with its subscription, addressing mental health, gratitude, and partnership alongside nutrients.

    Their belief is simple but radical: healing happens faster when it’s shared.

     

    Redefining Success—Later in Life

    Starting a company in their 40s raised eyebrows. Leaving Nike raised more. Choosing no outside investors raised the most.

    But for Ronit and Vida, success was never about optics—it was about alignment.

    “We didn’t want to build fast,” they say. “We wanted to build right.”

    Today, WeNatal has supported over 30,000 families and sparked a broader conversation about fertility, partnership, and agency—proving that sometimes, the most unconventional path is also the most impactful.

    Giveaway


    WeNatal is gifting one lucky Unconventional Life listener their Together Kit, including His + Hers Prenatal, their Manifestation Journal, and their Together Protein Plus—valued at over $350.

     

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  • Listening to the Body’s Hidden Intelligence: How Inna Segal Turned Trauma into a Global Healing Movement

    Listening to the Body’s Hidden Intelligence: How Inna Segal Turned Trauma into a Global Healing Movement

    For Inna Segal, healing didn’t begin in a classroom, a clinic, or a spiritual retreat. It began in a moment of profound loss and a blunt truth.

    After years of chronic illness, debilitating back pain, anxiety, psoriasis, and the devastating stillbirth of her child, Inna had exhausted every conventional option. 

    She was seeing multiple practitioners weekly, doing everything “right,” yet nothing created lasting change. Then one day, her chiropractor looked at her and said, “Your body is stuck. There’s nothing more I can do.”

    That moment didn’t break her. Instead, it redirected her.

    Instead of asking who could fix her, Inna asked a different question: What if my body is communicating something I don’t yet understand?

    The Body as a Language, Not a Problem

    At the time, Inna was studying linguistics and literature, training to become a writer. Language—how meaning is formed, stored, and expressed—was already her world. What she didn’t realize was that this skill set would unlock an entirely new way of understanding healing.

    Through breath, touch, and inquiry, Inna began listening inward. What she discovered was startling: her body wasn’t malfunctioning. It was remembering.

    She became aware of layers of unresolved experience stored within her body:

    • Childhood trauma from migrating across countries without language or stability

    • Bullying and family conflict

    • Ancestral trauma from war, imprisonment, and displacement

    • Unprocessed grief from losing her child

    As she felt, acknowledged, and worked through these layers, her body responded. Psoriasis that had persisted for 11 years disappeared within weeks. Chronic back pain and sciatica resolved. Anxiety, depression, and suicidal ideation faded.

    Healing, she realized, wasn’t about fighting the body: it was about befriending it.

    From Self-Healing to Global Impact

    What began as a personal awakening soon revealed something more. Inna noticed she could intuitively perceive patterns within other people’s bodies—emotional roots of illness, stored trauma, and energetic imbalances. 

    At first, the experience was overwhelming. Over time, she learned discernment, boundaries, and ethical application.

    This work eventually became The Secret Language of Your Body, a book that has since been translated into 27 languages and sold over one million copies worldwide.

    The premise is simple, yet radical: Every part of the body carries wisdom. Symptoms are not random. Illness often begins long before it appears physically—and healing starts with awareness, not blame.

     

    Responsibility Without Shame

    A cornerstone of Inna’s philosophy is responsibility—not as self-blame, but as empowerment.

    “Responsibility,” she explains, “is asking what I’m willing to do now that my body is carrying this.”

    Her work guides readers through understanding emotional and mental patterns associated with specific body parts, reflecting on life events that preceded illness, and engaging in practical exercises that restore agency and clarity.

    Rather than offering generalized advice, Inna emphasizes specificity—mapping a person’s experience with precision. After 25 years in the healing field, she believes detail is what creates lasting change.

    Living—and Healing—Unconventionally

    Inna Segal’s work sits at the intersection of body, mind, spirit, and consciousness. She openly explores topics many avoid: ancestral trauma, intuitive awakening, reincarnation, and what happens beyond this lifetime.

    For her, living an unconventional life means thinking independently, questioning inherited beliefs, and continuously recalibrating one’s inner compass.

    Her message is not about rejecting medicine or logic—it’s about expanding them.

    Because when we learn to listen, the body doesn’t just heal. It teaches.

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  • Ep456: Rewiring Love: How Thais Gibson Is Teaching Millions to Heal at the Subconscious Level

    Ep456: Rewiring Love: How Thais Gibson Is Teaching Millions to Heal at the Subconscious Level

     

    For years, Thais Gibson believed that relationships were supposed to hurt.

    Raised in an emotionally volatile environment, she learned early that love came with conflict, unpredictability, and intensity. Calm felt foreign. Stability felt suspicious. And intimacy? Often overwhelming.

    “I actually remember worrying when things weren’t dramatic,” she shares on the Unconventional Life podcast with host Jules Schroeder. “If we weren’t fighting, I thought something was wrong.”

    That belief—deeply embedded, entirely subconscious—would quietly shape her relationships, emotional coping mechanisms, and sense of self for years.

    Until everything unraveled.

    When Willpower Isn’t Enough

    Like many people on a healing journey, Thais tried to think her way out of pain. She read the books. Set intentions. Promised herself she would do better next time.

    But the patterns kept repeating.

    The breakthrough came when she learned a truth most people never hear: the conscious mind controls only a fraction of behavior. The subconscious—the part responsible for emotional reactions, habits, and attachment patterns—runs nearly everything.

    “You can’t outwill the subconscious,” she explains. “You have to reprogram it.”

    That realization changed the course of her life.

    The Science of Emotional Conditioning

    Through years of study in psychology, neuroscience, and somatic healing, Thais discovered why people remain stuck even when they want to change.

    The subconscious is wired through repetition and emotional intensity. It doesn’t respond to logic or affirmations—it responds to imagery, feeling, and consistency.

    What feels familiar—even if painful—feels safe.

    This insight became the foundation of Integrated Attachment Theory™, Thais’ proprietary framework that bridges attachment theory with subconscious reprogramming and nervous system regulation.

    Healing Attachment from the Inside Out

    Attachment styles, Thais explains, are not personality traits. They’re subconscious survival strategies learned in childhood.

    Fearful-avoidant, anxious, and dismissive attachment patterns all stem from core beliefs about safety, love, and self-worth.

    By targeting those beliefs directly—rather than behavior alone—lasting change becomes possible.

    And it works.

    A Live Demonstration of Rewiring Belief

    During the episode, Thais walks Jules through a real-time belief reprogramming exercise, revealing just how accessible the process can be.

    The steps are deceptively simple:

    1. Identify the fear beneath a goal

    2. Name the belief attached to it

    3. Create emotional evidence for the opposite belief

    4. Repeat consistently over 21 days

    It’s not about motivation. It’s about neural pathways.

    From Library Workshops to a Global School

    At 21, Thais began teaching free workshops in library rooms. People kept asking to work with her privately. Her waitlist grew to two years.

    That demand led to the creation of The Personal Development School, now serving members in over 115 countries with more than 60 courses dedicated to subconscious healing.

    It’s not therapy. It’s education for the inner world.

    The Real Transformation

    Success aside, the most profound shift for Thais was internal.

    “I used to be incredibly harsh with myself,” she admits. “My mind was always loud.”

    Today, she describes a sense of peace she once thought was impossible—space to create, to love, and to live without constant inner conflict.

    Healing didn’t just change her relationships.

    It gave her her life back.

    Giveaway

    One listener will receive a one-year all-access membership to The Personal Development School.

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