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  • Ep478: Why Being Yourself Is Your Greatest Competitive Advantage with Renata Castro

    Ep478: Why Being Yourself Is Your Greatest Competitive Advantage with Renata Castro

     

    Renata Castro didn’t build her career by fitting into the legal profession’s expectations—she built it by rejecting them. The Brazilian-born immigration attorney, entrepreneur, television host, and founder of USA4ALL has spent years helping immigrants navigate one of the most complex legal systems in the world. 

    But beneath the courtroom victories and the growing law firm is a woman whose greatest strength has never been the law itself. It’s her ability to see people first.

    The Lawyer Who Refused to Look Like Everyone Else

    Long before she became the founder of an 85-person immigration law firm, Renata Castro was a law student being told she needed to change.

    At a pre-law orientation, she was advised to straighten her naturally curly hair, tone down her colorful wardrobe, and embrace the polished image expected of attorneys.

    She declined.

    Rather than reshaping herself to fit the profession, she decided she would eventually create a workplace where authenticity wasn’t a liability—it was the culture.

    That decision became USA4ALL.

    “I don’t want to look like anybody else,” she explains. “I want to look like myself—the best version of myself.”

    It’s a philosophy that has guided every stage of her career.

    Success Begins When Your Tribe Can Finally Find You

    For Renata, authenticity isn’t a branding strategy. It’s a business strategy.

    She believes people spend far too much energy trying to imitate success instead of discovering their own version of it.

    When entrepreneurs suppress their personality in hopes of appearing more professional, they often become forgettable.

    Instead, she argues, something remarkable happens when people begin valuing who they already are.

    Their tribe finds them.

    Rather than competing by blending in, Castro built a practice around the qualities many professionals are taught to hide: warmth, emotion, humor, vulnerability, and humanity.

    Ironically, those became the very qualities that distinguished her.

    Why Great Lawyers Read People—Not Just Laws

    Most attorneys spend years mastering statutes and legal procedures.

    Castro believes that’s only half the job.

    “The best lawyers,” she says, “are the best readers of people.”

    Every consultation requires understanding emotions before legal strategy.

    Can you recognize fear?

    Can you anticipate hesitation?

    Can you read the unspoken questions sitting behind a client’s silence?

    To her, practicing law has always been about understanding human behavior just as much as understanding legal precedent.

    That mindset has shaped how she serves families facing some of the most uncertain moments of their lives.

    The Unconventional Practice That Transformed Her Business

    One of the episode’s most unforgettable moments comes when Renata reveals an unexpected ritual she introduced into client consultations.

    At the end of every meeting, she would simply ask:

    “Would you mind if I gave you a hug?”

    The gesture wasn’t about sales.

    It was about reminding clients they weren’t just another case file.

    Many immigrants arrived carrying fear, uncertainty, and trauma. Sometimes they simply needed someone who genuinely cared.

    Eventually, she began noticing something unexpected.

    Clients trusted her more.

    Referrals increased.

    Conversions climbed dramatically.

    Laughing, she says she realized she had become “in the business of selling hugs.”

    Behind the humor is a powerful lesson.

    People rarely remember every detail of what you tell them.

    They always remember how you made them feel.

    Crying in an Empty Office—and Learning to Trust Herself

    Building USA4ALL wasn’t glamorous.

    In the early days, Renata remembers sitting alone in her office wondering where clients would come from.

    She questioned whether she was good enough.

    She battled imposter syndrome.

    At one point, she even convinced herself clients only hired her because they liked her.

    A consultant reframed everything.

    Of course people hired her because they liked her.

    Trust has always been the foundation of every professional relationship.

    That realization gave her permission to stop apologizing for bringing humanity into the legal profession.

    The law became her expertise.

    Human connection became her advantage.

    “I’m Unemployable”—And Why That Became Her Greatest Strength

    When Jules Schroeder asks about the philosophy behind founding USA4ALL, Castro surprises everyone with a laugh.

    “I’m unemployable.”

    It’s one of the funniest moments in the interview—but also one of the most revealing.

    She never found a law firm that encouraged the level of creativity, calculated risk-taking, and personal ownership she wanted.

    Rather than waiting for permission, she built the environment she couldn’t find.

    USA4ALL wasn’t created because entrepreneurship sounded exciting.

    It was created because authenticity required it.

    Leading Through Uncertainty Without Losing Hope

    Few industries change as rapidly as immigration law.

    Policies shift.

    Court rulings evolve.

    New announcements can instantly reshape the legal landscape.

    She describes finishing meetings only to discover dozens of urgent messages waiting from her legal team about new developments.

    Yet she refuses to allow uncertainty to become despair.

    Instead, she reminds both her clients and her staff that every difficult season eventually changes.

    Growth doesn’t happen by avoiding hardship.

    It happens by walking through it.

    Behind closed doors, she admits there are moments she cries from the weight of the work.

    Then she gathers herself and returns to lead.

    Because leadership isn’t pretending everything is easy.

    It’s helping people believe there is still a path forward.

    Meeting Every Survivor With Compassion Instead of Assumptions

    One of the conversation’s most meaningful moments centers on Renata’s work representing survivors of domestic violence, trafficking, and workplace exploitation.

    She challenges many common misconceptions.

    Some of her domestic violence clients are women.

    Many are men.

    Some don’t even realize they are living in abusive relationships.

    Others have never been asked the question.

    Rather than making assumptions, her team focuses on understanding each person’s lived experience.

    Her advice extends well beyond immigration law.

    Listen more.

    Judge less.

    Encourage people to seek qualified professional help instead of relying solely on internet opinions or social media commentary.

    Compassion, she believes, begins by meeting people exactly where they are.

    Building a Business Around Your Life—Not the Other Way Around

    Renata Castro’s entrepreneurial philosophy is refreshingly practical.

    People often ask what business will make the most money.

    She thinks they’re asking the wrong question.

    Instead, she encourages aspiring entrepreneurs to first imagine their ideal life.

    What time do you wake up?

    Do you want weekends free?

    How involved do you want to be in daily operations?

    Only then should you choose the business.

    She recalls advising one client against opening a pet shop because the lifestyle didn’t match the life she wanted.

    The client opened it anyway.

    Eventually, she disliked the long hours and constant demands.

    The business wasn’t wrong.

    It simply belonged to someone else.

    Success isn’t about chasing the most profitable opportunity.

    It’s about building a business whose lifestyle you’re willing to live.

    Positive Self-Talk Before Every Big Challenge

    Even after years of courtroom victories, she admits fear never fully disappears.

    Before major trials, she stands in front of the mirror repeating affirmations to herself.

    “I’m ready.”

    “I’m a beast.”

    “I can do this.”

    The confidence doesn’t always come naturally.

    Sometimes it follows the words.

    It’s a simple practice, but one she credits with helping her walk into difficult situations with greater calm and clarity.

    The Truly Unconventional Life

    When asked what living an unconventional life means, Renata doesn’t mention awards, wealth, or recognition.

    Instead, she talks about courage.

    Being bold enough to bet on yourself.

    Being disciplined enough to stay the course.

    Being unapologetic about who you are.

    And if no one opens the door for you?

    Knock down the wall.

    Because in the end, she says, the truly unconventional life isn’t measured by titles or accomplishments.

    It’s measured by happiness.

    Giveaway

    This week’s Unconventional Life giveaway includes two incredible opportunities:

    • A signed copy of 99 Questions to Ask Before Starting a Business in the USA, co-authored by Renata Castro and James Chittenden, along with exclusive USA4ALL swag.

    • Access to Renata’s interpreter training opportunity for bilingual English speakers living in the United States who want to become immigration interview interpreters—offering the chance to build a flexible, independent career while helping immigrant communities.

    Visit the Giveaway tab at UnconventionalLifeShow.com to enter before the giveaway closes.

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  • Ep477: Beyond Betrayal: How Psychotherapist Lauren LaRusso is Changing the Conversation around Infidelity

    Ep477: Beyond Betrayal: How Psychotherapist Lauren LaRusso is Changing the Conversation around Infidelity

    Most people enter marriage believing love will be enough.

    They imagine growing old with one partner, building a family, creating traditions, and living out the promises exchanged on their wedding day. Infidelity is rarely part of that picture. Yet for millions of people, it becomes an unexpected chapter that reshapes everything they thought they knew about love, trust, and themselves.

    For Lauren LaRusso, that painful reality became both deeply personal and profoundly purposeful.

    A licensed psychotherapist specializing in extramarital affairs and the author of Beyond Infidelity: How to Turn the End of Your Relationship Into the Beginning of Your Life, Lauren has become one of the leading voices helping individuals and couples navigate one of life’s most devastating experiences. Through her private practice, bestselling book, and social media community of more than 156,000 followers, she’s working to dismantle the shame surrounding infidelity and replace it with understanding, healing, and hope.

    On this episode of Unconventional Life with Jules Schroeder, Lauren shares the deeply personal journey that transformed her from therapist to survivor—and ultimately into an advocate changing the narrative around betrayal.

    The Story No One Talks About

    “Infidelity belongs in the light.”

    That’s the mission driving Lauren’s work.

    Growing up, she was surrounded by what appeared to be stable marriages. Like many people, she internalized the belief that faithful relationships were simply how life worked. If affairs happened, they weren’t discussed—and if they were, they were often viewed as evidence of personal failure or moral deficiency.

    “We grow up with this idea of what relationships are supposed to look like,” Lauren explains. “Then reality collides with those expectations.”

    The silence surrounding infidelity creates an invisible burden. Because few people openly share their experiences, those living through betrayal often believe they’re alone.

    Lauren wants to change that.

    She believes infidelity is far more common than society is willing to admit. It transcends age, religion, socioeconomic status, culture, and background. Yet despite its prevalence, conversations about it remain hidden beneath layers of shame, judgment, and secrecy.

    By bringing those conversations into the open, she’s giving countless people permission to stop suffering in silence.

    When the Therapist Became the Patient

    Lauren never intended to specialize in infidelity.

    In 2011, she became a licensed therapist and married the man she believed she’d spend the rest of her life with. Like most newlyweds, she envisioned a future built on trust, partnership, and family.

    Seven years later, shortly after welcoming their daughter, everything changed.

    Lauren discovered her husband had been engaged in an ongoing affair.

    “It blew everything up,” she shares.

    The betrayal didn’t simply end a relationship—it dismantled the life she thought she knew. Her identity, future, security, and assumptions about love all came crashing down overnight.

    Ironically, despite years of helping clients process difficult emotions, Lauren found herself completely unprepared for the emotional tsunami of betrayal trauma.

    “I was a therapist, and I didn’t even know what I was experiencing.”

    She faced overwhelming grief, anger, confusion, trauma, and emotional dysregulation. The experience gave her an entirely new perspective—not as the clinician sitting across the room, but as someone desperately searching for answers herself.

    The Hidden Trauma of Betrayal

    One of Lauren’s greatest revelations was recognizing that infidelity is far more than broken trust.

    It’s trauma.

    When betrayal occurs, people don’t simply question their partner.

    They question themselves.

    Was I not enough?

    How didn’t I see it?

    Can I ever trust anyone again?

    Can I even trust myself?

    Lauren explains that betrayal fractures a person’s sense of reality. The story they believed about their life suddenly no longer makes sense, leaving them emotionally untethered.

    While friends and family often rush to offer advice—”leave” or “forgive”—Lauren believes healing requires something much deeper.

    People need space to understand what has happened before deciding what comes next.

    Challenging the Myths We’ve Been Taught

    One of Lauren’s greatest frustrations is how black-and-white society views infidelity.

    We’re conditioned to believe there are only two roles:

    The victim.

    And the villain.

    But human relationships, she argues, are far more complicated.

    Understanding why an affair happened doesn’t excuse the betrayal. Instead, it creates the possibility for genuine understanding, accountability, and informed decisions.

    Some relationships end.

    Others rebuild.

    Neither path is universally right or wrong.

    Lauren’s work isn’t about convincing people to stay together—or encouraging them to leave. It’s about helping individuals reconnect with themselves first, so every decision comes from clarity rather than emotional survival.

    Healing Begins Long Before the Relationship Does

    Throughout the conversation, Lauren returns to one central philosophy:

    Healing isn’t about fixing the relationship first.

    It’s about rebuilding yourself.

    Whether someone ultimately reconciles with their partner or chooses to move on, lasting healing requires restoring:

    • Self-trust

    • Emotional safety

    • Confidence

    • Identity

    • Personal agency

    When those foundations return, people are able to make decisions that align with who they are—not simply react to what happened.

    For Lauren, betrayal doesn’t have to become someone’s permanent identity.

    It can become the beginning of a more authentic life.

    Turning Pain Into Purpose

    After navigating her own experience, Lauren recognized a startling gap in mental health resources.

    Despite how common infidelity is, there were remarkably few comprehensive tools available to help people process its emotional aftermath.

    That realization inspired her life’s work.

    Today, Lauren works with clients around the world, helping them navigate betrayal with compassion instead of shame. Her social media platforms have become safe spaces for conversations many never thought they could have publicly.

    Her book, Beyond Infidelity, serves as both a guide and a reminder that healing is possible—even after life’s deepest heartbreaks.

    Rather than allowing betrayal to define someone’s story, Lauren invites readers to see it as the beginning of an entirely new chapter.

    One rooted in self-awareness, resilience, and personal transformation.

    Redefining What It Means to Heal

    Perhaps Lauren’s greatest lesson is that healing isn’t about pretending betrayal never happened.

    It’s about refusing to let it dictate the rest of your life.

    When shame is replaced with compassion, clarity begins to emerge.

    When silence is replaced with conversation, isolation fades.

    And when people learn to trust themselves again, they often discover a stronger version of themselves than they ever knew existed.

    As Lauren reminds us, even life’s most painful endings can become the doorway to unexpected beginnings.

    Giveaway

    This week’s giveaway is Lauren LaRusso’s groundbreaking book, Beyond Infidelity: How to Turn the End of Your Relationship Into the Beginning of Your Life. Whether you’re personally navigating betrayal, supporting someone who is, or simply seeking a deeper understanding of relationships, this powerful resource offers compassionate guidance, practical tools, and a hopeful roadmap toward healing and renewal.

    Enter this week’s giveaway for your chance to win a copy and begin your own journey toward healing.

     

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  • Ep476: Why Feeling “Fine” Isn’t Enough: Adam Woolard on Hormone Health, Performance, and Reclaiming Your Energy

    Ep476: Why Feeling “Fine” Isn’t Enough: Adam Woolard on Hormone Health, Performance, and Reclaiming Your Energy

    On paper, Adam Woolard was the picture of health.

    He exercised regularly, ate nutritious meals, surrounded himself with great friends, and lived an active lifestyle in California. Yet beneath the surface, something wasn’t right.

    In his early thirties, Adam began experiencing persistent fatigue, brain fog, low libido, aching joints, and declining performance in the gym. Despite doing everything “right,” he couldn’t shake the feeling that his body was working against him.

    The answers he received were frustratingly familiar.

    “Your labs look normal.”

    “Everything’s within range.”

    “You’re fine.”

    But Adam didn’t feel fine.

    Instead of accepting those answers, he chose a different path—one that ultimately transformed not only his own health but also his career. Today, as Vice President of Business Development and Health Coach at Joi + Blokes, Adam helps thousands of people uncover the hidden factors affecting their health through personalized hormone optimization, comprehensive lab testing, and holistic wellness strategies.

    On this episode of Unconventional Life with Jules Schroeder, Adam shares why conventional healthcare often misses the bigger picture, how hormones impact nearly every aspect of our lives, and why feeling “normal” shouldn’t be the standard we settle for.

    When Healthy Habits Aren’t Enough

    For Adam, the turning point wasn’t a dramatic diagnosis—it was the realization that healthy habits alone weren’t solving the problem.

    “I was doing all the things you’re supposed to do,” he explains. “I was exercising, eating well, sleeping reasonably well, but I still felt awful.”

    Like many people experiencing unexplained symptoms, he bounced between physicians and specialists searching for answers. Blood work repeatedly came back “normal,” leaving him with little more than reassurance that nothing was wrong.

    But Adam knew his body well enough to recognize otherwise.

    That intuition led him toward comprehensive diagnostic testing and functional medicine—an experience that completely changed how he viewed health.

    Instead of simply asking whether his numbers fell within broad population averages, practitioners looked at whether his body was functioning optimally.

    The difference was life-changing.

    The Dangerous Gap Between “Normal” and “Optimal”

    One of the biggest misconceptions Adam hopes to change is the belief that normal lab work automatically means good health.

    Traditional healthcare often focuses on identifying disease.

    Functional medicine asks a different question:

    How well is your body actually functioning?

    Adam discovered deficiencies and hormonal imbalances that weren’t severe enough to trigger alarms in conventional medicine but were significant enough to impact his daily life.

    Small adjustments to his hormones, nutrition, recovery, and exercise routine dramatically improved his energy, mental clarity, mood, and overall quality of life.

    “The goal isn’t just to avoid illness,” Adam says. “It’s to actually feel your best.”

    Trust Your Body—Even When Others Don’t

    Perhaps the most reassuring message Adam shares is directed toward anyone who feels dismissed by the healthcare system.

    “If you know something feels off,” he says, “don’t give up.”

    Many people begin believing their exhaustion, brain fog, low motivation, weight gain, or declining performance are simply inevitable parts of aging.

    Adam disagrees.

    He believes our bodies constantly communicate with us—and those signals deserve to be investigated rather than ignored.

    His advice is simple but powerful:

    You’re not crazy. Keep asking questions.

    Why Hormones Influence Nearly Everything

    Hormones often get reduced to conversations about menopause or testosterone, but Adam explains they’re involved in virtually every system in the body.

    They influence:

    • Energy levels

    • Mood

    • Mental clarity

    • Sleep quality

    • Muscle recovery

    • Metabolism

    • Libido

    • Motivation

    • Emotional resilience

    • Stress response

    When hormones become imbalanced, the effects can ripple across nearly every aspect of daily life.

    That’s why Adam emphasizes looking beyond isolated symptoms and understanding how the body functions as one interconnected system.

    Healthcare That Treats the Whole Person

    At Joi + Blokes, Adam’s philosophy centers around personalization rather than one-size-fits-all medicine.

    Instead of immediately prescribing medication, their team begins with a conversation.

    How are you sleeping?

    How are you managing stress?

    What does your nutrition look like?

    How’s your recovery?

    What symptoms are affecting your everyday life?

    Only after understanding the full picture do they create an individualized treatment plan that may include lifestyle changes, nutrition, supplementation, hormone optimization, peptides, or other evidence-based interventions.

    “It’s about building a foundation,” Adam explains—not simply masking symptoms.

    The Missing Conversation Around Women’s Hormones

    One of the most eye-opening moments in the conversation centers around menopause.

    Adam points out that many physicians receive surprisingly limited education on menopause and hormone replacement during medical training.

    The result?

    Countless women spend years navigating fatigue, anxiety, weight gain, sleep disruption, brain fog, and mood changes believing they’re simply expected to endure them.

    Adam believes education is changing, but there’s still significant work to do in helping women understand that they have options and deserve individualized care.

    Your Health Shapes Every Part of Your Life

    Throughout the conversation, Jules Schroeder reflects on her own journey with unexplained health challenges.

    Despite living an active lifestyle, she remembers suddenly experiencing debilitating fatigue, joint pain, and brain fog—an experience that left her feeling isolated and questioning herself.

    That shared experience highlights one of the episode’s central themes:

    Health isn’t separate from the rest of your life.

    It affects your relationships.

    Your confidence.

    Your business.

    Your creativity.

    Your mental health.

    Your ability to fully show up for the people you love.

    For Adam, optimizing health isn’t about chasing perfection—it’s about creating the energy and resilience needed to live life more fully.

    The Unconventional Path to Feeling Like Yourself Again

    Adam’s journey reminds us that wellness isn’t measured solely by the absence of disease.

    It’s measured by how you feel when you wake up each morning.

    Do you have energy?

    Can you think clearly?

    Do you feel motivated?

    Are you fully participating in your life?

    If the answer is no, it may be worth looking deeper.

    As more people begin questioning outdated healthcare models, Adam believes personalized medicine and hormone optimization will continue reshaping how we think about longevity, performance, and wellness.

    Because feeling “fine” shouldn’t be the finish line.

    Feeling your best should be.

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  • Ep475: Ep475: Awakening Isn’t Becoming Someone New with Amy Scott Rooker, Author of My Mother Is a Dragonfly

    Ep475: Ep475: Awakening Isn’t Becoming Someone New with Amy Scott Rooker, Author of My Mother Is a Dragonfly

    By all outward measures, Amy Scott Rooker had achieved the kind of life many people spend decades chasing.

    She graduated from elite schools, built a successful legal career, earned an MBA, climbed the ranks in the technology industry, and checked every box society defines as success. She was intelligent, accomplished, respected, and constantly moving forward.

    Yet beneath every achievement lived a quiet truth she had spent years trying to outrun.

    The driven executive. The accomplished attorney. The high achiever.

    They were all versions of herself built to survive.

    On this episode of Unconventional Life, Amy joins Jules Schroeder to share the remarkable story behind her memoir, My Mother Is a Dragonfly—a deeply personal exploration of childhood sexual abuse, grief, addiction, spiritual awakening, and the long journey back to herself. Her story is ultimately not about trauma, but about remembering the person who existed long before survival became a way of life.

    When Success Becomes a Survival Strategy

    Amy’s childhood taught her that achievement was the safest place to hide.

    Raised in a family where excellence was expected, she quickly learned how to become the “good daughter.” Good grades led to prestigious schools. Prestigious schools led to law school. Law school opened doors to a successful career.

    From the outside, her life looked enviable.

    Inside, however, another story was unfolding.

    As a teenager, Amy experienced sexual abuse that fractured her sense of safety and identity. When she disclosed what had happened, the silence that followed became its own form of trauma. Without validation or protection, she learned to disconnect from her emotions and continue performing.

    Rather than processing pain, she buried it beneath accomplishment.

    The higher she climbed, the further she drifted from herself.

    For many listeners, Amy’s story serves as a reminder that high performance and hidden suffering often coexist. Success can become less about pursuing fulfillment and more about avoiding what feels unbearable to face.

    The Hidden Cost of Looking Like You Have It All

    Over the next several decades, Amy accumulated everything she believed would finally make her feel whole.

    A respected legal career.

    Executive leadership.

    Financial security.

    Professional recognition.

    Each milestone promised relief.

    None delivered it.

    Instead, perfectionism evolved into self-abandonment. Alcohol, disordered eating, overworking, and relentless productivity became coping mechanisms disguised as ambition.

    Looking back, Amy recognizes that she wasn’t building a meaningful life as much as constructing an identity capable of hiding her pain.

    Many people spend years asking, “Why am I still unhappy?”

    Amy offers another question:

    “What if your dissatisfaction isn’t a sign that you’re failing—but a signal that you’ve become disconnected from yourself?”

    That question became the turning point of her life.

    Grief Opened the Door Achievement Never Could

    The death of Amy’s mother marked the beginning of an entirely different journey.

    Loss stripped away many of the distractions she had relied on for decades. It forced her to confront not only grief, but the unresolved wounds she had carried since childhood.

    Instead of continuing to outrun her past, she decided to meet it.

    That decision led her into years of intentional healing through therapy, meditation, nervous system work, somatic practices, spiritual study, and eventually psychedelic-assisted experiences.

    Contrary to popular narratives, Amy is careful not to portray psychedelics as miraculous solutions.

    “They opened a door,” she explains.

    Walking through it—and continuing the work afterward—was where transformation truly began.

    Integration, not the experience itself, became the catalyst for lasting change.

    Healing Happens When the Body Finally Feels Safe

    One of the most practical insights Amy shares is that trauma doesn’t live exclusively in our memories.

    It lives in our bodies.

    Years of chronic stress, emotional suppression, and hypervigilance become stored physically through tension, nervous system dysregulation, and protective survival patterns.

    That realization transformed the way she approached healing.

    Meditation became less about emptying her mind and more about observing it with compassion.

    Breathwork became a daily reminder that safety could be cultivated from within.

    Somatic practices and fascia release allowed emotions that words could never fully reach to finally move through her body.

    Instead of asking how to eliminate difficult emotions, Amy learned to become curious about them.

    Every feeling carried information.

    Every trigger pointed toward an unhealed wound.

    Healing wasn’t about making discomfort disappear.

    It was about listening to what it had been trying to communicate all along.

    Awakening Isn’t Becoming Someone New

    Perhaps the most powerful idea throughout the conversation is Amy’s definition of awakening.

    Many people imagine personal transformation as becoming a better, stronger, or more evolved version of themselves.

    Amy sees it differently.

    Awakening is remembering.

    Remembering who you were before fear.

    Before shame.

    Before trauma.

    Before survival convinced you that love had to be earned through achievement.

    She explains that every layer of healing became an invitation to peel away identities she had accumulated throughout her life: the perfectionist, the achiever, the attorney, the executive, even the wounded survivor.

    What remained underneath was someone who had been there all along.

    Not broken.

    Simply forgotten.

    The Four Dimensions of Lasting Transformation

    Amy believes healing requires attention to four interconnected dimensions:

    The Mind, where limiting beliefs and unconscious stories are uncovered.

    The Body, where trauma is stored and eventually released.

    The Heart, where forgiveness, compassion, and emotional honesty begin to replace shame.

    Consciousness, where we reconnect with something larger than our identities and circumstances.

    Ignoring any one of these dimensions creates an incomplete healing process.

    True transformation, she explains, isn’t linear. It is layered, ongoing, and deeply personal.

    Redefining an Unconventional Life

    As Jules asks what living an unconventional life means to her, Amy’s answer beautifully captures the spirit of the episode.

    An unconventional life isn’t about rejecting society’s expectations simply for the sake of being different.

    It’s about having the courage to stop living according to survival.

    It’s choosing presence over performance.

    Authenticity over approval.

    Connection over achievement.

    And perhaps most importantly, remembering that beneath every role we’ve ever played exists an identity that never needed fixing in the first place.

    Final Thoughts

    Amy Scott Rooker’s journey reminds us that healing rarely begins when everything falls apart.

    More often, it begins when we finally stop pretending everything is fine.

    Her story is an invitation to anyone who has spent years performing strength while quietly carrying pain, chasing success while feeling empty, or believing that healing requires becoming someone entirely different.

    Perhaps the greatest transformation isn’t becoming a new person after all.

    Perhaps it’s finding the courage to come home to the one who has been waiting beneath the survival strategies all along.

    Giveaway

    Amy is generously giving one lucky Unconventional Life listener a copy of her powerful memoir, My Mother Is a Dragonfly. Through deeply personal storytelling and profound insights on trauma, grief, spiritual awakening, and healing, the book offers an honest roadmap for anyone ready to reconnect with their authentic self. Enter the giveaway for your chance to receive a copy and continue your own journey of transformation.

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  • Ep474: The Beautiful, Unconventional Path to Parenthood with Joy of Life Surrogacy

    Ep474: The Beautiful, Unconventional Path to Parenthood with Joy of Life Surrogacy

    When Parenthood Doesn’t Follow the Script

    Surrogacy is often discussed in fragments—medical steps, legal processes, emotional questions—but rarely in its full human complexity. In this conversation on Unconventional Life, Jules Schroeder sits down with Tia Calderon of Joy of Life Surrogacy to unpack what it actually means to build a family through surrogacy: the logistics, yes, but more importantly, the emotional landscape that both intended parents and surrogates must navigate.

    What emerges is a deeper truth: surrogacy is not a transaction or shortcut. It is a highly relational, deeply human journey shaped by trust, patience, and a willingness to surrender control.

    “How Am I Making My Baby?” — The Real Starting Point

    For intended parents, the process doesn’t begin with matching a surrogate. It begins with uncertainty.

    Tia breaks down how early-stage fertility decisions quickly become overwhelming:

    • Do we use our own embryos?

    • Do we need an egg or sperm donor?

    • What IVF clinic do we trust?

    • What testing is required before anything even begins?

    At Joy of Life, the role of an agency is not just matchmaking. It is navigation.

    The first real question becomes simple but profound: How am I making my baby?

    And from there, the journey unfolds step by step—never fast, never linear, and never as predictable as people expect.

    Grit, Not Speed: What Surrogacy Actually Demands

    One of the strongest themes in the conversation is time.

    Surrogacy is often imagined as a near-instant solution once a decision is made. Tia corrects that assumption directly.

    The reality includes:

    • Medical screening and psychological evaluation

    • Legal contracts and protections

    • Matching with the right intended parents or surrogate

    • IVF preparation and embryo transfer cycles

    • Emotional waiting periods with no guarantees

    For surrogates especially, Tia emphasizes that patience is non-negotiable.

    “You’re not going to get matched and immediately get pregnant.”

    The process requires emotional steadiness, realistic expectations, and what she calls grit—the ability to stay committed through uncertainty.

    From Preschool Classrooms to Surrogacy Deliveries

    Tia’s path into this work wasn’t linear either.

    Before joining Joy of Life Surrogacy, she spent 18 years as a preschool teacher. Her entry point into surrogacy began with something deeply personal: she considered becoming a surrogate for her sister-in-law.

    That plan shifted, but the calling didn’t.

    With three healthy pregnancies behind her, she chose to become a surrogate for a couple from France. That experience became a turning point.

    What stayed with her wasn’t just the pregnancy—it was the moment of separation and reunion:

    Watching intended parents hold their baby for the first time.

    “It was insane. Beautiful.”

    That moment reframed everything for her and eventually pulled her fully into the surrogacy world.

    The Origin of Joy of Life: A System Built on Presence

    Joy of Life Surrogacy itself was born from a moment of emotional rupture.

    Founder Joy worked inside fertility clinics, supporting families through IVF processes. But one experience changed her trajectory forever.

    A surrogate had just delivered via C-section. The intended parents left the hospital with their baby. The surrogate remained behind—alone, recovering, emotionally unanchored.

    No support. No presence. No one to walk her through the aftermath of one of the most intense experiences of her life.

    That image stayed with Joy.

    And it became the foundation for the agency’s philosophy:

    • Be present at appointments

    • Support both surrogate and intended parents

    • Never leave anyone alone in the most vulnerable moments

    • Offer 24/7 support through the entire journey

    Joy of Life wasn’t built to coordinate surrogacy. It was built to humanize it.

    The Question Everyone Asks: “Do Surrogates Get Attached?”

    Tia identifies this as the most common concern from prospective surrogates.

    Her answer is grounded, not theoretical.

    Yes—attachment happens. But it is not the same kind of attachment as motherhood.

    The distinction lies in intention and identity.

    Surrogates know from the beginning that:

    • The baby is not theirs

    • They are caregivers, not parents

    • Their role is temporary but meaningful

    Tia compares it to her years as a preschool teacher. She loved the children deeply. She cared for them. But the attachment never blurred into ownership.

    The same principle applies here—love without possession.

    And for her, witnessing intended parents finally hold their child reframes the entire experience as something profoundly fulfilling rather than emotionally conflicting.

    The Emotional Layer No One Talks About

    On the other side of the equation, intended parents carry their own emotional weight.

    Often, they arrive at surrogacy after:

    • Years of infertility struggles

    • Failed IVF cycles

    • Emotional exhaustion and grief

    • Financial strain and uncertainty

    Tia doesn’t minimize this. She names it directly.

    There is grief not only for what hasn’t happened—but for the life they thought they would have.

    This is where mental health support becomes essential.

    Joy of Life partners with specialists and builds support systems designed to hold both sides of the journey—because emotional resilience is not optional in this process.

    It is foundational.

    Science, Faith, and the Space Between

    A recurring tension in modern fertility conversations is the relationship between science and spirituality.

    Tia approaches it without conflict.

    Science creates possibility: IVF, embryo creation, and medical intervention now make parenthood accessible in ways that were not possible before.

    But she also acknowledges a limit:

    Even with all the technology, outcomes are not guaranteed.

    There is still something unpredictable, something beyond control.

    For many families, this is where faith enters—not as opposition to science, but as its counterpart.

    Not everything can be engineered. Some things must still be surrendered.

    What Most People Don’t Understand About Surrogacy

    When asked what people consistently underestimate, Tia is direct.

    First: timing.

    Nothing happens quickly. Every stage takes longer than expected.

    Second: emotional unpredictability.

    Both surrogates and intended parents must learn to adapt as circumstances shift.

    Third: the importance of choosing the right support system.

    Surrogacy is not something to navigate alone. The agency, medical team, and emotional support structure matter as much as the medical process itself.

    And finally: alignment.

    Matching is not just logistical. It is deeply relational.

    Values, expectations, communication styles, and emotional boundaries all matter.

    Tia compares it to choosing a life partner in terms of importance.

    Rapid Fire Reflections

    Tia closes with a few personal glimpses that reveal the simplicity behind her grounded presence:

    • She has given birth eight times, including surrogacies and her own children

    • Her daily success habit is making her bed

    • She has traveled to Germany and considers it a favorite memory

    • To her, an unconventional life means confidence—especially showing up fully even when self-doubt is present

    Final Takeaway

    Surrogacy, as described in this conversation, is not defined by medical procedures or legal frameworks. It is defined by relationships.

    Between strangers who become connected through trust. Between uncertainty and hope. Between loss and possibility.

    What Joy of Life Surrogacy represents is not just a pathway to parenthood—it is a reminder that even the most complex journeys still rely on something deeply simple:

    People showing up for each other.

    And in that sense, parenthood—no matter how it begins—is always built the same way.


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